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Faith & LXX, I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men.


Thanks for the making us aware of these lectures. I was particularly impressed with Dr. Mortenson's argument in this segment:

"So it's not comparing Scripture with Scripture that determines the meaning of the text; it's geology. My question is, how do they know what responsible geology is? What they're basically saying is the geological majority is what determines what the text means.

But what if we said, ultimately it's the scientific community that determines whether or not Jesus physically rose from the dead? Because, of course, the whole scientific community would say that dead men don't rise. Dead men stay dead! So, we can't believe in the historical resurrection?"

The consensus (the "geological majority" in this case) does not determine what is science, nor is it even relevant, according to Michael Crichton:

"I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had. Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period." [Michael Crichton, "Aliens Cause Global Warming." Wall Street Journal, [Updated 2008], 2003]


The Revelation / Re: To Him That Overcometh!
« on: May 25, 2018, 09:02:44 PM »

Is the mystery of God finished?

I thought so at one time.  But now I don't think so.



Have you ever read this one on Biologos by Tas Walker?  It mentions Joel Duff:

That is very informative article, George.  Thanks.

The BRT website has a playlist of some of Dr. Walker's videos (3rd down on the left):


The Revelation / Re: To Him That Overcometh!
« on: May 16, 2018, 04:04:48 PM »

Do you see the difference?  Judah is the root of David, and Jesus is the root of David, and of Judah; but the Lamb is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. That is, the Lamb is of the tribe of Judah, but he is not the root of David.

I see it.  That is more confirmation that the lamb is not Jesus.



The Bible Study Video Series can be accessed here:

I had previously listened to Michael Heiser's 20-video Commentary on Acts (mentioned in Part III), and would recommend everyone listen to it. This is the link to his commentary:

Page-down to the series titled "Acts of the Apostles".

Thanks Faith and Dan.  I am learning more than I ever imagined.


The Revelation / Re: To Him That Overcometh!
« on: January 20, 2018, 06:55:41 PM »

1.  Jesus sent his angel to show his servants things which must shortly come to pass (Rev 1:10, 22:6)

2.  His angel was sent to testify the things in the churches (Rev 22:16).

What else did His angel tell us was to shortly come to pass?

I see it now. The prophecies of the other angels and visions may or may not be about to come to pass:

"After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne." -- Rev 4:1-2 NASB

I feel like I have seen a ghost.


The Revelation / Re: To Him That Overcometh!
« on: January 20, 2018, 03:25:20 PM »

I just realized something that may change my entire understanding of the Revelation.  Tell me what you think of these passages:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" -- Rev 1:1 KJV

Dan, I see that one angel is the angel of the Lord but I do not see your point.


The Revelation / Re: To Him That Overcometh!
« on: January 18, 2018, 06:47:31 AM »

Most every commentator would agree that verses 5-7 are referring to the resurrected Jesus... the timing of the event of the lamb in the midst of the throne was/is future to John receiving the letters to the churches:

Dan, if this is not Jesus who do you think it is?


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:25:42 AM »

Jackie, read this post by Dan and see if you still have a problem:

That's not Jesus, is it.

The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 16, 2018, 11:11:58 PM »

Has the Son of God destroyed the works of the devil?

LXX, I have went over your posts many times, and I don't disagree with you, but I am having a problem understanding these time statements:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Rev 22:7 And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 15, 2018, 11:46:57 PM »

Mine is not necessarily a new doctrine, but preterists tend to cut it off at A.D. 70.

Milton Terry aside, why do you believe Satan has not been destroyed?


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 15, 2018, 08:50:14 PM »

As you can see, Terry plainly stated that Satan was bound, not destroyed, immediately after the destruction of the beasts, which occurred after the parousia and marriage.

LXX, I have been reading your comments on William's video and one statement you made is puzzling. This is the sequence:

"Recall that Satan was bound so that he could not deceive the nations again for a thousand years (Rev 20:3).

"It just so happened that Jerusalem was also deceiving the nations (like Satan) before its destruction (Rev 18:23-24).

"A chronological interpretation implies Satan's binding did not occur until after Jerusalem was destroyed; and that Satan's binding coincided with the beginning of the millennial reign; both of which are consistent with Daniel 7.

"I concur somewhat with Milton Terry, that the millennium is/was a long time; but not a million years as he speculated here: ([Milton S Terry, "Biblical Apocalyptics." Eaton & Mains, 1898, Rev 20:4, p.451])

"Rather I interpret it to mean that Satan was bound upon the destruction of Jerusalem (which included the destruction of most of his children: John 8:44), and (get this!) he was not released again to deceive the nations (to go after the saints and the Church) until 1948, when his children were able to regain a foothold."

How did you come up with your last statement? Weren't they all killed by the Romans?


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 15, 2018, 03:55:41 PM »

William assumes Terry meant that death was to be destroyed during the lifetime of the disciples, when, in fact, Terry said no such thing.

I see it now.


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 15, 2018, 11:37:13 AM »

At 43:21, William said,

"When he commented on first Corinthians 15, 51 and 52, which would be when the last enemy is destroyed…"

Read that carefully. William is assuming that the resurrection is also the time the last enemy is destroyed, but there is no proof of that.

You make some good arguments but William explains how Terry contradicted himself at 48:28.


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 15, 2018, 12:37:13 AM »

Thanks for the footnotes, Brenda

LXX, William Bell said there was a problem with Milton Terry's hermeneutics. See what you think:


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 12, 2018, 04:08:44 PM »

And what is Satan's destiny? The same place as the beast and false prophet:

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." -- Rev 20:10 NASB

You gave me a lot to think about, LXX.

The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 11, 2018, 10:16:58 AM »

Don is a brilliant bible scholar, Jackie. I have listened to nearly all of his thousand or so videos over the years, and I have posted comments on his videos many times. Our only real disagreement is the disposition of Satan. Don believes Satan was destroyed around 70 A.D., and I believe he is still around creating havoc.

I don't follow your reasoning, LXX. Paul said,

Romans 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 11, 2018, 09:29:06 AM »

I am not a full preterist, if that is the intent of your question.

Are there any full preterists on this board?  I am a full preterist. I mostly follow Don Preston and I think he has it right.


The Life of Christ / Re: Not Taste of Death
« on: January 11, 2018, 08:44:32 AM »

Are you a preterist, Dan?


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