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The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« on: September 11, 2017, 09:20:25 PM »

I recently encountered some "historians" who were adamant that the historical record of the ancient Hyksos by the historian Manetho was simply a record of Israel's Exodus from Egypt. I was unfamiliar with the Hyksos, so I did a little digging and came across this article from the Biblical Archaeology Society:

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-expulsion-of-the-hyksos/

The article begins with this quote by Josephus:

"After the conclusion of the treaty they left with their families and chattels, not fewer than two hundred and forty thousand people, and crossed the desert into Syria. Fearing the Assyrians, who dominated over Asia at that time, they built a city in the country which we now call Judea. It was large enough to contain this great number of men and was called Jerusalem." [Josephus, Against Apion 1.73.7, quoting Manetho's Aegyptiaca]

Your historical insight on this event would be appreciated.

Dan
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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 10:19:40 PM »

Dan,

Answers in Genesis has a chapter on this subject in their online book titled "Unwrapping the Pharaohs":

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/the-mysterious-hyksos/

The book Introduction can be accessed here:

https://answersingenesis.org/answers/books/unwrapping-pharaohs/introduction/

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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2017, 08:08:17 AM »

Dan,

Answers in Genesis has a chapter on this subject in their online book titled "Unwrapping the Pharaohs":

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/ancient-egypt/the-mysterious-hyksos/

The book Introduction can be accessed here:

https://answersingenesis.org/answers/books/unwrapping-pharaohs/introduction/



Matt,

I found a video series by the late Archaeologist/Historian David Nieman:

http://drdavidneiman.com/dr-david-neiman-biography/

Some of his lectures have been compiled into a playlist by his daughter. A Playlist titled "The History of Egypt" contains a short series on the Hyksos:





In the third video of that segment, Dr. Nieman reveals that the Hyksos were the Amorites, descendants of Canaan, son of Ham:

   
"And Canaan begat Sidon his first born, and Heth, And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite," -- Gen 10:15-16 KJV

They must have been some bad people:

   
"And [God] said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." -- Gen 15:13-16 KJV

The Lord promises Israel their land in Canaan:

"In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." -- Gen 15:18-21 KJV

In the videos, Dr. Nieman explains that the Amorite (Hyksos) kingdom(s) ranged from Egypt to the Aegean, at one time in history.  Joshua fought some of the Amorite kings:

"Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel." -- Jos 10:12-14 KJV

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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2017, 09:15:33 PM »


I found a video series by the late Archaeologist/Historian David Nieman:

Some of his lectures have been compiled into a playlist by his daughter. A Playlist titled "The History of Egypt" contains a short series on the Hyksos:


Good find, Dan! The Hyksos are typically linked to the Amalekites in internet searches.

I found this interesting article with a "hyksos amorite" search:

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/175739


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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 10:27:20 PM »


I found a video series by the late Archaeologist/Historian David Nieman:


Dan, I was listening to your new Egyptology playlist by David Rohl, in which the Hyksos are mentioned several times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2He5ZyIP8k&list=PLrCQerz2L0IexwAzq4zGBX-sl2RwvnFaR

One thing that really caught my attention was in this latter video by Dr. Mark Woolmer titled "Egyptian Chronology and the Old Testament".  For context I am positioning it at the 28:00 minute mark, but it really gets interesting around the 29:45 mark when he discusses 1 Kings 6, and again at the 33:00 minute mark when he discusses Judges 11:26:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkylsgT0cGA&t=28m05s

If I understand it correctly, this verse speaks of a time prior to the days of Samson when the Israelites had lived in Heshbon, Aroer, and the coasts of Arnon for three hundred years, which was 340 years after the Exodus.

     "While Israel dwelt in Heshbon and her towns, and in Aroer and her towns, and in all the cities that be along by the coasts of Arnon, three hundred years? why therefore did ye not recover them within that time?" -- Jud 11:26 KJV

The other verse states that the 4th year of Solomon's reign was the 480th year after the exodus:

     "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord." -- 1Kin 6:1 KJV

Supposedly, Solomon began his reign about 970 BC.  Therefore, we can reasonably place the Exodus about 966 + 480 = 1446 BC.  I have not been able to determine the date of Samson.

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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2017, 12:07:20 AM »


The other verse states that the 4th year of Solomon's reign was the 480th year after the exodus:

     "And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the Lord." -- 1Kin 6:1 KJV

Supposedly, Solomon began his reign about 970 BC.  Therefore, we can reasonably place the Exodus about 966 + 480 = 1446 BC.  I have not been able to determine the date of Samson.


George,

Thanks for the information. The Septuagint gives a different timeline, placing the beginning of the reign of Solomon about 1021, and this:

"And it came to pass in the four hundred and fortieth year after the departure of the children of Israel out of Egypt, in the fourth year and second month of the reign of king Solomon over Israel, that the king commanded that they should take great and costly stones for the foundation of the house, and hewn stones. And the men of Solomon, and the men of Chiram hewed the stones, and laid them for a foundation." -- 1Kin 6:1 LXX

I created a new LXX Timeline and posted it on the Forum and the website:

http://forum.bibleresearchtools.com/index.php?topic=40
http://bibleresearchtools.com/biblical-timeline/

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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2017, 08:47:52 PM »


The Septuagint gives a different timeline, placing the beginning of the reign of Solomon about 1021, and this:

"And it came to pass in the four hundred and fortieth year after the departure of the children of Israel out of Egypt, in the fourth year and second month of the reign of king Solomon over Israel, that the king commanded that they should take great and costly stones for the foundation of the house, and hewn stones. And the men of Solomon, and the men of Chiram hewed the stones, and laid them for a foundation." -- 1Kin 6:1 LXX

I created a new LXX Timeline and posted it on the Forum and the website:


Thanks, Dan.  That is very helpful.

David Rohl mentions the Hyksos several times in the 2nd part of his "Time Wall" lecture. The link below will take you to a segment where he claims the invasion of the Hyksos was Egypt's punishment, as foretold here:

"And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance." -- Gen 15:13-14 KJV



In this next segment Rohl claims the pharoah of the Exodus was little-known Dudimose, whom Manetho called Tutimaeus. Rohl also explains the Hyksos were able to march into Egypt with little opposition because Pharoah and his army were at the bottom of the sea:

"In the second book of his History of Egypt, this writer Manetho speaks of us as follows. I shall quote his own words, just as if I had brought forward the man himself as a witness: "Tutimaeus. In his reign, for what cause I know not, a blast of God smote us (the Egyptians); and unexpectedly, from the regions of the East, invaders of obscure race marched in confidence of victory against our land. By main force they easily seized it without striking a blow; and having overpowered the rulers of the land, they then burned our cities ruthlessly, razed to the ground the temples of the gods, and treated all the natives with a cruel hostility, massacring some and leading into slavery the wives and children of others." (Rohl: "that is the punishment of Egypt")." [W G Waddel, "Manetho, with an English translation." Harvard University Press, 1940, Exo 14:28, p.79]



In this segment Rohl explains how the Hyksos dominated Egypt for two centuries before Egypt's recovery in the 18th dynasty:

 

Shortly after that segment Rohl moves on to Jericho, which is also fascinating.

George

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Re: The Expulsion of the Hyksos
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2017, 08:15:36 PM »


David Rohl mentions the Hyksos several times in the 2nd part of his "Time Wall" lecture. The link below will take you to a segment where he claims the invasion of the Hyksos was Egypt's punishment, as foretold here:

Shortly after that segment Rohl moves on to Jericho, which is also fascinating.


Thanks George. I have listened to David Rohl's "The Wall" series several times since you posted, and each time I learn something new. I believe he got it right; but I have to spend more time studying Bryant Wood's objections, and those of others, before I am convinced.  Some links:

http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2007/05/23/David-Rohls-Revised-Egyptian-Chronology-A-View-From-Palestine.aspx#Article

http://crossexamined.org/review-patterns-evidence-exodus/



I really like the Research Library Footnote Form.


Me, too!  Thanks!  Have you experimented much with the Reference Form?  I use it to store dated Youtube and Forum posts.

Dan

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