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What happened to all those “bizarre” creatures we find in the fossil record, such as the dinosaurs? Why were they not on the Ark? Why were so many “left behind”?

The answer can possibly be found in the non-canonical literature which mentions the hybridization of animals by the fallen angels, which are the sons of God briefly mentioned in Genesis 6.


The Fossil Record

Fossilization is an uncommon event where living or recently dead organisms are quickly covered with sediment to prevent deterioration. Over time the organic material is replaced by minerals leaving a permanent imprint or representative structure. [1]

This article is a canonical and extra-canonical theory/narrative of why there are so many extinct creatures found in the fossil record, and so few humans.


A Super Race?

We begin in Genesis 6 where the scripture tells us that the sons/angels of God married earthly women, creating a “hybrid race” of giants:

“Now the giants were upon the earth in those days; and after that when the sons of God were wont to go in to the daughters of men, they bore children to them, those were the giants of old, the men of renown.” — Gen 6:4 LXX

“And their judges and rulers [the sons of God — the angels] went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice . . .” — Jasher 4:14

“And it came to pass when the children of men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them, that the angels of God saw them on a certain year of this jubilee, that they were beautiful to look upon; and they took themselves wives of all whom they chose, and they bare unto them sons and they were giants.” — Jubilees 5:1

“And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men.” — Enoch 7:1-3

“And they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth, and have slept with the women, and have defiled themselves, and revealed to them all kinds of sins. And the women have borne giants” — Enoch 9:8-9


The Spread of Wickedness

The wickedness of the sons of men spread until the earth was filled with violence:

“And the Lord God, having seen that the wicked actions of men were multiplied upon the earth, and that every one in his heart was intently brooding over evil continually,” — Gen 6:5 LXX

“And all the sons of men departed from the ways of the Lord in those days as they multiplied upon the face of the earth with sons and daughters, and they taught one another their evil practices and they continued sinning against the Lord. And every man made unto himself a god, and they robbed and plundered every man his neighbor as well as his relative, and they corrupted the earth, and the earth was filled with violence.” — Jasher 4:16-17

“And when [normal] men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind . . . and the whole earth has thereby been filled with blood and unrighteousness.” — Enoch 7:3-4, 9:9


Super Animals?

This is a crucial passage that mentions the cross-species hybridization of animals by the angels and/or their offspring, which could explain all the bizarre creatures, like dinosaurs:

“and the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other?, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.” — Jasher 4:14

These passages also imply a corruption of the animal kingdom:

“And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood.” — Enoch 7:5

“And lawlessness increased on the earth and all flesh corrupted its way, alike men and cattle and beasts and birds and everything that walks on the earth all of them corrupted their ways and their orders . . . And God looked upon the earth, and behold it was corrupt, and all flesh had corrupted its orders, and all that were upon the earth had wrought all manner of evil before His eyes.” – Jubilees 5:2-3

“And after this they sinned against the beasts and birds, and all that moves and walks on the earth: and much blood was shed on the earth, and every imagination and desire of men imagined vanity and evil continually.” — Jubilees 7:23

“And the Lord God saw the earth, and it was corrupted; because all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth. And the Lord God said to Noe, A period of all men is come before me; because the earth has been filled with iniquity by them, and, behold, I destroy them and the earth.” — Gen 6:12-13 LXX


Neighbor Against Neighbor

These passages possibly explain why there are not so many fossils of men and hybrid men: they were killing each other off prior to the flood:

“And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind.” — Enoch 7:3-3

“And to Gabriel said the Lord: ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy (the children of fornication and) the children of the Watchers from amongst men (and cause them to go forth): send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have.” — Enoch 10:9

“And against [the angel’s] sons went forth a command from before His face that they should be smitten with the sword, and be removed from under heaven . . . And He sent His sword into their midst that each should slay his neighbour, and they began to slay each other till they all fell by the sword and were destroyed from the earth . . . And He destroyed all from their places, and there was not left one of them whom He judged not according to all their wickedness.” – Jubilees 5:7,9,13

“And they begat sons the Naphidim, and they were all unlike, and they devoured one another: and the Giants slew the Naphil, and the Naphil slew the Eljo, and the Eljo mankind, and one man another.” — Jubilees 7:23


The Animals on the Ark

When God decided to destroy all flesh with a global flood, He sent animals to the Ark; but the hybrid animals were apparently “left behind”, perhaps because they were not of a single “kind”:

“Go to Noah and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'” — Enoch 10:2-3

“And of all cattle and of all reptiles and of all wild beasts, even of all flesh, thou shalt bring by pairs of all, into the ark, that thou mayest feed them with thyself: male and female they shall be. Of all winged birds after their kind, and of all cattle after their kind, and of all reptiles creeping upon the earth after their kind, pairs of all shall come in to thee, male and female to be fed with thee.” — Gen 6:19-20 LXX


The Destruction of All Flesh

All flesh was destroyed, except for the men and animals on the ark:

“And God said, I will blot out man whom I have made from the face of the earth, even man with cattle, and reptiles with flying creatures of the sky, for I am grieved that I have made them.” — Gen 6:7 LXX

“And the Lord God said to Noe, A period of all men is come before me; because the earth has been filled with iniquity by them, and, behold, I destroy them and the earth . . . And behold I bring a flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life under heaven, and whatsoever things are upon the earth shall die.” — Gen 6:13,17 LXX

“[After his crucifixion, Christ] went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” — 1Pet 3:19-20 KJV

“And behold I will bring the flood of waters upon the earth, and all flesh be destroyed, from under the heavens all that is upon earth shall perish.” — Jasher 5:29

“And the Lord destroyed everything from off the face of the earth; because of the wickedness of their deeds, and because of the blood which they had shed in the midst of the earth He destroyed everything.” — Jubilees 7:25


Chains of Darkness

This is the judgment of the disobedient angels:

“And against the angels whom He had sent upon the earth, He was exceedingly wroth, and He gave commandment to root them out of all their dominion, and He bade us to bind them in the depths of the earth, and behold they are bound in the midst of them, and are (kept) separate.” – Jubilees 5:6

“And their fathers were witnesses (of their son’s destruction), and after this they were bound in the depths of the earth for ever, until the day of the great condemnation, when judgment is executed on all those who have corrupted their ways and their works before the Lord.” – Jubilees 5:10

“And when [the angel’s] sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is for ever and ever is consummated.” — Enoch 10:13

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;” – 2 Peter 2:4-5 KJV

“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” — Jude 1:6 KJV


Conclusion

We see that God spared not the flesh of the old world, except for the eight men and women and the creatures which he created. We can also envision why the fossil record is loaded with all sorts of bizarre creatures – the cross-species hybrids; but few fossils of men, relatively speaking.

That last statement needs clarification. The book of Jasher states there were about 700,000 men and women alive when the waters began to rise:

“And the sons of men assembled together, about seven hundred thousand men and women, and they came unto Noah to the ark.” — Jasher 6:17

That would seem like a lot of people left to produce the relatively small number of known human fossils (currently about 6,000). But this also happened:

“And the sons of men approached in order to break into the ark, to come in on account of the rain, for they could not bear the rain upon them. And the Lord sent all the beasts and animals that stood round the ark. And the beasts overpowered them and drove them from that place, and every man went his way and they again scattered themselves upon the face of the earth.” — Jasher 6:24-25


We can speculate that the beasts did more than merely drive the people away from the ark. They may have also been hungry, chasing the humans wherever they went, seeking a (final) meal. Of course, the humans could have also been the last to drown by scrambling to higher ground, and clinging onto whatever floating material they could find, rendering them less likely to fossilize.


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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2017, 08:20:31 AM »


I never thought of that.
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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2017, 08:24:17 AM »


That is remarkable.  Do you have anything on the giants of Joshua’s time?

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2017, 11:23:12 AM »


Do you have anything on the giants of Joshua’s time?


Matt, there are several theories about the giants of Canaan. The one I lean toward is centered around the curse of Canaan. This is what we know:

1) The giants of Enoch’s days were the descendants of the fallen angels (Gen 6:4).

2) The land of Canaan in the days of Joshua contained giants (Deu 3:11; Josh 12:4,13, 17:15, 18:16, etc.)

3) Noah cursed Canaan and his descendants for unspecified reasons (Gen 9:25-26). Note that Ham was not cursed, but his son, Canaan.

4) God instructed the Israelites to both drive-out and destroy all the inhabitants of Canaan (Num 33:51-55, Deut 7:1-2, 16)

Taking all this into consideration, I lean toward the theory that Canaan inherited some of the fallen angel genes, perhaps through his mother; and like eye-color, some of his descendants inherited those genes, resulting in the giants of Canaan.

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 08:25:36 AM »


We see that God spared not the flesh of the old world, except for the eight men and women and the creatures which he created. We can also envision why the fossil record is loaded with all sorts of bizarre creatures – the cross-species hybrids; but few fossils of men, relatively speaking.


Very nice, LXX. I am still digesting it.

Dan


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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2017, 10:28:13 AM »


LXX, thank you. Did you know there are seminaries that teach evolution?
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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2017, 11:23:48 AM »


LXX, thank you. Did you know there are seminaries that teach evolution?


Yes. At one time I thought evolution and the Word of God were compatible. No more. One has to ignore the words of Christ, Paul and Peter, not to mention Moses, to believe in evolution.

This much we know:

1) Adam and Eve were created, male and female, at beginning of creation, on the sixth day of creation (Gen 1:26-27,31; 2:7-8, 21-23; Matt 19:4, Mar 10:6)

2) Noah was the 9th generation from Adam (Luk 3:36-38)

3) God destroyed all flesh with a flood during the life of Noah, saving only those on the Ark (Gen 6:7-8, 12-14; Matt 24:38; Heb 11:7; 1 Pet 3:19-20; 2Pet 2:4-5

Perhaps all Christians should consider believing the Word of God, rather than the word of man. Peter warned us about the teaching of evolutionists, who teach this:

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” — 2Pet 3:3-4 KJV


Evolutionists have a theory similar to the bold portion which they call “Uniformitarianism”. Peter calls it “willing ignorance”:

“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:” — 2Pet 3:3-6 KJV

A modern example of such willing ignorance can be found in this quote by the atheist, Richard Dawkins:

“Before we come to the sort of sudden bursts that they had in mind, there are some conceivable meanings of ‘sudden bursts’ that they most definitely did not have in mind. These must be cleared out of the way because they have been the subject of serious misunderstandings. Eldredge and Gould certainly would agree that some very important gaps really are due to imperfections in the fossil record. Very big gaps, too. For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists. Evolutionists of all stripes believe, however, that this really does represent a very large gap in the fossil record, a gap that is simply due to the fact that, for some reason, very few fossils have lasted from periods before about 600 million years ago. One good reason might be that many of these animals had only soft parts to their bodies: no shells or bones to fossilize. If you are a creationist you may think that this is special pleading. My point here is that, when we are talking about gaps of this magnitude, there is no difference whatever in the interpretations of ‘punctuationists’ and ‘gradualists’. Both schools of thought despise so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record. Both schools of thought agree that the only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation, and both would reject this alternative.” [Richard Dawkins, Puncturing Punctuationism, “Blind Watchmaker.” 1986, Chap. 9, pp.229-30]


That is willing ignorance.

LXX


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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2017, 11:34:11 PM »


This is a crucial passage that mentions the cross-species hybridization of animals by the angels and/or their offspring, which could explain all the bizarre creatures, like dinosaurs:


I am new to your forum. I have been reading the posts and this one caught my attention since I have been finding similar things in the "Book of the Giants" found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  These fragments from a Gnostic website seem to align with your interpretation:

1Q23 Frag. 1 + 6 [ . . . two hundred] 2donkeys, two hundred asses, two hundred . . . rams of the] 3flock, two hundred goats, two hundred [ . . . beast of the] 4field from every animal, from every [bird . . . ] 5[ . . . ] for miscegenation [ . . . ]

4Q531 Frag. 2 [ . . . ] they defiled [ . . . ] 2[ . . . they begot] giants and monsters [ . . . ] 3[ . . . ] they begot, and, behold, all [the earth was corrupted . . . ] 4[ . . . ] with its blood and by the hand of [ . . . ] 5[giant's] which did not suffice for them and [ . . . ] 6[ . . . ] and they were seeking to devour many [ . . . ] 7[ . . . ] 8[ . . . ] the monsters attacked it.

4Q532 Col. 2 Frags. 1 - 6 2[ . . . ] flesh [ . . . ] 3al[l . . . ] monsters [ . . . ] will be [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] they would arise [ . . . ] lacking in true knowledge [ . . . ] because [ . . . ] 5[ . . . ] the earth [grew corrupt . . . ] mighty [ . . . ] 6[ . . . ] they were considering [ . . . ] 7[ . . . ] from the angels upon [ . . . ] 8[ . . . ] in the end it will perish and die [ . . . ] 9[ . . . ] they caused great corruption in the [earth . . . ] [ . . . this did not] suffice to [ . . . ] "they will be [ . . . ]

http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/dss_book_of_giants.htm


This is a reconstruction of those fragments from a Bahai website:

The two hundred angels seized 200 hundred donkeys, 200 asses, 200 hundred sheep and rams of the flock, 200 goats, 200 beasts of the field from every animal and from every bird, [for experiments in in-breeding with humans] and all types of miscegenation.

(As a result, monsters were created among all the perversion, due to mingling animal seed with mortal women. Similar to Egyptian Gods, satyrs and possibly even dinosaurs. The historian Josephus mentions that Enoch had business in Egypt, then called Siriad)

[The fallen ones] defiled all creation and begot giants and monstrous creatures, and corrupted all the earth, [which was] defiled by blood shedding, at the hands of the giants. But this did not suffice them and [they were seeking all the time] to devour/destroy many/much more. The monsters attacked [all creation.]

[The monsters sought out[ flesh [which would be destroyed or perverted.] Monsters and giants would arise who were lacking in true knowledge because [they were abominations]. Meantime the earth grew ever more corrupt and [the giants more] mighty. They considered [trying to persuade other angels to come upon the earth otherwise their tyranny might ultimately] perish and die. All the time they were causing great corruption in the earth. [If this aim] did not suffice [to perpetuate them] , they would be [finally destroyed.] (they believed).

http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/book_of_giants.pdf

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 11:17:57 PM »


I am new to your forum. I have been reading the posts and this one caught my attention since I have been finding similar things in the "Book of the Giants" found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  These fragments from a Gnostic website seem to align with your interpretation.


Welcome to the forum, Perry, and thanks for the info on the Book of the Giants.  We are looking forward to future posts from you.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2017, 10:47:00 PM »


I am new to your forum. I have been reading the posts and this one caught my attention since I have been finding similar things in the "Book of the Giants" found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.  These fragments from a Gnostic website seem to align with your interpretation:


Thanks, Perry.  After reading your post, I did some research on the book. I found two articles you might find interesting:

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/divinity/rt/otp/abstracts/bgiants/
https://sites.google.com/site/elaiasindex/enoch-and-the-book-of-giants

A scholarly article in book form can be downloaded here:

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-lAu2dHR_UJIj-e_L


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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 06:01:24 PM »


LXX, thank you. Did you know there are seminaries that teach evolution?

Yes. At one time I thought evolution and the Word of God were compatible. No more.

Faith & LXX, check out this link that talks about theistic evolution:

https://isgenesishistory.com/theistic-evolution-college-students-ark/?mc_cid=0399bd75dd&mc_eid=6d624a2f86

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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2018, 09:12:13 PM »


Faith & LXX, check out this link that talks about theistic evolution:

https://isgenesishistory.com/theistic-evolution-college-students-ark/?mc_cid=0399bd75dd&mc_eid=6d624a2f86


Thanks, Dan.  I suspected it was bad, but not that bad.  The devil is truly the great deceiver!

I have been watching (for some time) the "Is Genesis History" video playlist available on the Age of the Earth page.  Those professors are very knowledgeable, and their lectures have helped my apologetics considerably.

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2018, 11:36:49 AM »

Faith, it may be worse than you think.  A few months ago I spent some time on the Biologos Forum -- the forum started by Francis Collins, former director of the Human Genome Project. Most, if not all on the forum claim to be Christian; but it is as if anything Charles Darwin wrote supersedes the scripture -- and I am not exaggerating.  I came away with the impression that they are hopelessly lost.

The thing that most puzzled me is why many on the forum would take some of the most outlandish research and present it as absolute proof that the creation story is fictional. From the very first thread I visited I could literally feel the contempt these "Christians" had for creation scientists and the creation story.

One research paper in particular was flaunted by a poster named Joel Duff, a U. of Akron biology professor, in his review found here:


Others took the underlying research -- McMullen et al, "The occurrence of vertebrate and invertebrate fossils in a sequence stratigraphic context the Jurassic Sundance Formation, Bighorn Basin, Wyoming, USA", 2014 -- as absolute gospel, even though the enormous numbers the paper speculated are both unrealistic, and unverifiable, that is unless someone is willing to dig up a 100 square miles and count them.

After I understood the claims (which was not easy), and ran the numbers, I mentioned how unrealistic it was.  But nothing seemed to matter to them except to mock and ridicule creation scientists. For example, this is another by Duff:


There is nothing in that article that disproves the creation model; but Duff is convinced that it does, or, if not, he truly wants to believe that it does.


But, thanks to the Lord's guidance, I recently came across another article by Duff, along the same lines, that demonstrates how obsessed Duff is with young earth creationism:


Check out the photographs of the artifacts and you will see that Duff has a remarkably vivid imagination. In his article, he claims there are trillions of stone age artifacts? LOL! I could not help but laugh, though in a way is it sad that anyone that scatterbrained could be teaching our children -- sad for the children.

Dr. Terry Mortensen reviewed Duff's ridiculous claims, here:


The next time I find myself in the midst of so-called "theistic evolutionists", my first question will be, "Is Jesus Christ the Lord, or is Charles Darwin?"

LXX
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 02:25:57 AM »


The thing that most puzzled me is why many on the forum would take some of the most outlandish research and present it as absolute proof that the creation story is fictional. From the very first thread I visited I could literally feel the contempt these "Christians" had for creation scientists and the creation story.


Quoting Phillip E. Johnson, "There is no ignorance like the ignorance of the learned".


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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 08:01:33 AM »


Dr. Terry Mortensen reviewed Duff's ridiculous claims, here:



Thanks for the article, LXX.  Have you ever read this one on Biologos by Tas Walker?  It mentions Joel Duff:


That article links to this one, Evolutionary syncretism: a critique of BioLogos, by Lita Cosner, which sums up the arrogance of the "scholars" at Biologos as:

     "If the teaching of Jesus contradicts Biologos doctrine, then Jesus was in error."

If you find that hard to believe (I did), this is one of the referenced articles:


I felt like I was reading a Bart Ehrman novel.

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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2018, 08:55:24 AM »


If you find that hard to believe (I did), this is one of the referenced articles:


I felt like I was reading a Bart Ehrman novel.


George,

Biologos has officially "disowned" that article:


I am puzzled at the "disownment" since Biologos "scholars" routinely explain-away the scripture when it contradicts their "naturalist" (e.g., Darwinist) world view. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2018, 09:30:44 AM »


Have you ever read this one on Biologos by Tas Walker?  It mentions Joel Duff:



That is very informative article, George.  Thanks.

The BRT website has a playlist of some of Dr. Walker's videos (3rd down on the left):


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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2018, 09:29:04 PM »


LXX, thank you. Did you know there are seminaries that teach evolution?



Faith, it may be worse than you think.


Faith & LXX, I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men. The lecture is in two parts. Check it out:





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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2018, 07:54:14 AM »


Faith & LXX, I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men.


Thanks, Dan. It is good to see that you have finished your projects and are posting again.

Those are hidden gems by Dr. Mortenson for any Christian who hasn't been keeping up. It is far worse than I thought, and I have been trying to keep up. It appears that many (most) of our seminaries have sacrificed the Word of God on the altar of Darwin and "science" (so-called).

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2018, 07:57:04 AM »


Faith & LXX, I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men.


Thanks, Dan. It is good to hear from you again.

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 08:07:17 AM »


I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men. The lecture is in two parts.


I just realized the lecture is in three parts.  I listened to the first two over and over again -- pausing to take notes -- and never got around to the next video.  It is mostly a short Q&A (10:22):



This is the entire playlist by Dr. Mortenson:


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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 01:18:20 PM »


Faith, it may be worse than you think.


It is worse than I thought!

Thanks, Dan

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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 09:44:01 PM »


Faith & LXX, I was listening to the BRT playlist of Dr. Terry Mortensen (PhD, History of Geology), when I recalled your conversation about seminaries teaching evolution. The lecture, titled "Millions of Years", provides a history of the transformation of traditional Christian doctrine into conformity with the doctrines of mere men.


Dan,

Thanks for the making us aware of these lectures. I was particularly impressed with Dr. Mortenson's argument in this segment:

"So it's not comparing Scripture with Scripture that determines the meaning of the text; it's geology. My question is, how do they know what responsible geology is? What they're basically saying is the geological majority is what determines what the text means.

But what if we said, ultimately it's the scientific community that determines whether or not Jesus physically rose from the dead? Because, of course, the whole scientific community would say that dead men don't rise. Dead men stay dead! So, we can't believe in the historical resurrection?"


The consensus (the "geological majority" in this case) does not determine what is science, nor is it even relevant, according to Michael Crichton:

"I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had. Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period." [Michael Crichton, "Aliens Cause Global Warming." Wall Street Journal, [Updated 2008], 2003]


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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2018, 10:57:14 PM »


On the same subject, this is a great sermon on the age of the earth by Dr. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary:



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Re: Why Does The Fossil Record Contain So Many Extinct Species?
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2018, 07:56:18 AM »


On the same subject, this is a great sermon on the age of the earth by Dr. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary:


Dan,

I noticed that John Stott was mentioned by both Dr's Mortenson and Mohler.

Mohler stated (at the 41:07 mark) that Stott wrote in his Romans commentary an interpretation that every humanist would applaud -- that Adam was an existing hominid, adopted by God.

Mortenson, at about the 17:20 mark of Part II, quoted this equally troubling statement from Stott's book, The Cross of Christ:

"The Bible everywhere views human death not as a natural but as a penal event. It is an alien intrusion into God's good world, and not part of his original intention for humankind. To be sure, the fossil record indicates that predation and death existed in the animal kingdom before the creation of man. But God seems to have intended for his human image-bearers a more noble end..." [John R. W. Stott, "The Cross of Christ." InterVarsity Press, 1986, Chap 3, p.65]

I wonder how many souls Stott turned away from Christ during his "illustrious" career?

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