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Josephus and Prophecy
« on: January 07, 2018, 07:37:53 PM »

Please post statements by Josephus that could be interpreted as biblical fulfillments.  For example, Josephus wrote:

"Now the engines that all the legions had prepared were admirable, but especially those that belonged to the tenth legion, for their engines that threw darts were more powerful, and those that threw stones were larger than the rest, so that they not only repelled the sallies of the Jews, but also knocked down those that were upon the walls. Now, the stones that were thrown were of the weight of a talent, and they were carried two furlongs and further; and the blow they gave was irresistible, not only to those that stood first in the way, but also to those that were far behind them" [William Whiston, Wars of the Jews, "The Works of Flavius Josephus Vol 5." George Bell & Sons, 1890, Book V.6.3, p 33]

Stones the weight of a talent are also mentioned in the Revelation:

"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.' -- Rev 16:21

This should be interesting.

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Re: Josephus and Prophecy
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 10:30:22 PM »


Please post statements by Josephus that could be interpreted as biblical fulfillments.


About 1500 years before the destruction of Jerusalem, Moses foretold the destruction and the return of Israelites to Egypt as slaves:

"And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the Lord shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. And the Lord shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you." -- Deu 28:65-68 KJ

Josephus wrote of the fulfillment:

"They were all received by the Romans, because Titus himself grew negligent as to his former orders for killing them, and because the very soldiers grew weary of killing them, and because they hoped to get some money by sparing them; for they left only the populace, and sold the rest of the multitude [791], with their wives and children, and every one of them [sold] at a very low price, and that because such as were sold were very many, and the buyers were few: and although Titus had made proclamation beforehand, that no deserter should come alone by himself, that so they might bring out their families with them, yet did he receive such as these also. However, he set over them such as were to distinguish some from others, in order to see if any of them deserved to be punished. And indeed the number of those that were sold was immense; but of the populace above forty thousand were saved, whom Caesar let go whither every one of them pleased." [Flavius Josephus, "The Complete Works: Wars of the Jews." Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 1934, Book VI.8.2, pp.1493-94]

This is the footnote:

"791 This innumerable multitude of Jews that were 'sold' by the Romans was an eminent completion of God's ancient threatening by Moses, that if they apostatized from the obedience to his laws, they should be 'sold unto their enemies for bond-men and bond-women,' Deuteronomy 28:68. See more especially the note on ch. 9. sect. 2. But one thing is here peculiarly remarkable, that Moses adds, Though they should be 'sold' for slaves, yet 'no man should buy them;' i.e. either they should have none to redeem them from this sale into slavery; or rather, that the slaves to be sold should be more than were the purchasers for them, and so they should be sold for little or nothing; which is what Josephus here affirms to have been the case at this time." [Flavius Josephus, "The Complete Works: Wars of the Jews." Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 1934, Book VI.8.2, fn791, pp.1493]

And this is the note on Chapter 9, Section 2:

"See the several predictions that the Jews, if they became obstinate in their idolatry and wickedness, should be sent again or sold into Egypt for their punishment, Deuteronomy 28:68; Jeremiah 44:7; Hosea 8:13; 9:3; 9:4, 5; 2 Samuel 15:10-13; with Authentic Records, Part I. p. 49, 121; and Reland Painest And, tom. II. p. 715." [Flavius Josephus, "The Complete Works: Wars of the Jews." Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 1934, Book VI.9.2,fn194, pp.1497]

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Re: Josephus and Prophecy
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 11:33:38 PM »


Stones the weight of a talent are also mentioned in the Revelation:


That is spooky. I've never heard anything like that before.

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Re: Josephus and Prophecy
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 12:07:35 AM »

Esther,

Wait until you read this one.  Josephus wrote of armed troops and chariots flying around in the clouds over Jerusalem:

"Not many days after the festival, on the twenty-first of the month Artemisius, there appeared a phenomenon so marvellous as to exceed credibility. What I am about to relate would, I conceive, be deemed a mere fable, had it not been related by eye-witnesses, and attended by calamities commensurate with such portents.  Before sunset were seen around the whole country chariots poised in the air, and armed battalions speeding through the clouds and investing the cities." [Traill, Robert, "The Jewish War of Flavius Josephus Vol II." Houlston and Stoneman, 1851, Book VI.5.3,  p.197]

This is the same supernatural event by a different translator:

"Besides these, a few days after the feast,on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius [Jyaar], a certain marvellous and incredible phenomenon appeared. I suppose what I am going to tell would seem a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the sad events that followed it deserving of such signs. Before sunset chariots were seen in the air, and troops of soldiers in their armour running about among the clouds and besieging cities." [Whiston, William, "The Works of Flavius Josephus Vol 5." George Bell & Sons, 1890, Book VI.5.3, p.106]

This is the Roman historian, Cornelius Tacitus, on the same event:

"Prodigies had occurred, which this nation, prone to superstition, but hating all religious rites, did not deem it lawful to expiate by offering and sacrifice. There had been seen hosts joining battle in the skies, the fiery gleam of arms, the temple illuminated by a sudden radiance from the clouds " [Church & Brodribb, "The History of Tacitus, Tr. into English with Notes and a Map." MacMillan & Co., New Ed, 1894, Book V.13, Mat 24:30, p. 199]

A similar event is foretold in the scripture:

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." -- Mat 24:30-31 KJV

"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." -- Rev 1:7 KJV

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war . . . And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." -- Rev 19:11,14 KJV

David mentioned the chariots of God:

"The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place." -- Ps 68:17 KJV

Similar events were foretold by Isaiah and Jeremiah, preceding, or about the time of, invading ancient armies of Assyria and the Chaldeans:

""The burden of Egypt. Behold, the Lord rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it . . . In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians . . . So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt." -- Isa 19:1,23, 20:4 KJV

""The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant . . . Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled. O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?" -- Jer 4:7, 13-14 KJV

How much of that is real, and how much is metaphorical and apocalyptic, no one knows. But the two witnesses of armies in the clouds over first century Jerusalem cannot be easily explained away.

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Re: Josephus and Prophecy
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 09:41:30 PM »


Josephus said that Daniel predicted the desolation of Judea by Rome:

"And indeed it so came to pass, that our nation suffered these things under Antiochus Epiphanes, according to Daniel's vision, and what he wrote many years before they came to pass. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government, and that our country should be made desolate by them. All these things did this man leave in writing, as God had showed them to him, insomuch that such as read his prophecies, and see how they have been fulfilled, would wonder at the honor wherewith God honored Daniel; and may thence discover how the Epicureans are in an error, who cast Providence out of human life, and do not believe that God takes care of the affairs of the world," [William Whiston, "The Antiquities of the Jews." David McKay, 99, Book X.11.7, p.573]

Daniel made this prediction about desolation:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." -- Dan 9:27 KJV

Josephus also said the daily sacrifice ceased during the war:

"1. AND now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day [768] of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it)" [Flavius Josephus, "The Complete Works: Wars of the Jews." Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 1934, Book VI.2.1, Dan 9:27, p.1465]

The translator, William Whiston, interpreted that statement in this footnote:

"768 This was a remarkable day indeed, the seventeenth of Paneruns. [Tamuz,] A.D. 70, when, according to Daniel's prediction, six hundred and six years before, the Romans 'in half a week caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease,' Daniel 9:27. For from the month of February, A.D. 66, about which time Vespasian entered on this war, to this very time, was just three years and a half." [Flavius Josephus, "The Complete Works: Wars of the Jews." Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 1934, Book VI.2.1, fn768, Dan 9:27, p.1465-66]

Now, check out this annotation of the previous verse:

"And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one [Christ] shall be destroyed [cut-off, crucified], and there is no judgment in him: and he [Christ] shall destroy the city [Jerusalem] and the sanctuary [Temple] with the prince [Titus] that is coming: they [the city and temple] shall be cut off with a flood [of Roman soldiers], and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations [even the country side was stripped of its trees]." -- Dan 9:26 LXX

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Re: Josephus and Prophecy
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 06:45:20 PM »


Josephus wrote of armed troops and chariots flying around in the clouds over Jerusalem . . . David mentioned the chariots of God


Rev, There were heavenly chariots on the scene when Elijah was taken into heaven:

"And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it and he cried, 'My father, my father! The chariots of Israel and its horsemen!' And he saw him no more. Then he took hold of his own clothes and tore them in two pieces." -- 2Kin 2:11-12 ESV

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